Argumentative Penguin
3 min readFeb 26, 2021

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I generally do the same. But I also have a very liberal view and am against call out culture in general. I think it's a very dangerous road for a society to go down.... replacing the law with the court of public opinion is not a smart move.

Like you, I also hate social media - and I only really use Medium, mostly for the quality discussions that you can have that don't begin with harranguing and name calling after the first few seconds. Don't get me wrong, it happens - but you're far more likely to get two people who can debate squaring off in the comments section on Medium. I like that. It reminds me that liberal societies are about disagreement. Democracy itself is one big massive 500 year old bun fight.

I'm not sure that Joss Whedon puts himself out there as a role model. I think he's been placed there occasionally, but up until a few years ago - not many people could've told you anything about him. Not that I don't think he's getting his comeuppance, it's clear that he's behaved very poorly and that's really not in question. What he wrote was brilliant, and he inspired many young women (and men) with the strength of his ideas and the beauty of his writing. Whether that makes him a role model or not - I'm not sure. Would we say the same about Dickens? I'm not sure.

Female celebrities are scrutinised for their bodies and that's wrong. I'll definitely check out 'my life is a little blurry' - but I will also add the caveat that in many instances, female celebrities are put under undue scrutiny for their bodies by other women - or at least that is the target audience for trashy gossipy tabloid articles. That's a bit more complicated.

I would suggest that we should instead scrutinise people, regardless of genitals, for their talents and their skills.... leaving any and all hearsay and discussion out of it. Where there is fault - as there likely is with Whedon, the correct course of action should be industrial tribunal, or the court of law...... everything else is just gossip and points scoring.

You've inferred my maleness. I haven't said I'm a male. I online identify as a penguin. Entirely fed up of people without your debate skils jumping in with the early ad-hominems and running off thinking they'd scored a great victory. It doesn't matter WHO I am, or who you are - what matters is the strength of the arguments.

I'm not sure I follow the final question... but I will try and answer it. It's not about men or women caring. It's about both groups considering the sort of world they want to build. If gender equality is going to be the way we want a world to be established, tit-for-tat misandry vs misogyny isn't the way to go. Men (as a unit) have not culturally foisted anything upon anyone... that implies they think and act with homogeny.

Society, the combined effects of men and women working together across 2000 years have created social norms that some men and some women are beginning to question. Also me, a penguin. But within that questioning - i don't see the modern iteration of feminism, sneaking misandry through the back door as productive. In many ways it undermines a genuine push for equality and progress. It's not about letting men off the hook - it's about putting that hook where it belongs - in the legal arena.

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Argumentative Penguin
Argumentative Penguin

Written by Argumentative Penguin

Playwright. Screenwriter. Penguin. Fan of rationalism and polite discourse. Find me causing chaos in the comments. Contact: argumentativepenguin@outlook.com

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