Argumentative Penguin
3 min readMar 18, 2021

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Wow. That's one hell of a comment. So I'll try and keep my response brief and see if there's a debate to be had here.

1. The problem is not with white people syaing "No, you're not the real racists" - there's no way that BIPOC can be racist to white people. We both know why. The problem is that the elevation of any assertion that 'X' is racist remains unchallenged. Instead of talking about systemic racism and the issues you've outlined, we end up discussing whether the latest Pixar film or Lovecraft Country is racist or not. The point is more that if the argument becomes about everything, then it becomes about nothing. It's more about fatigue than it is about disbelief. Racism is a problem, but pandering to the angriest voices doesn't solve the problem.

The world can be made a better place. But that should be done by bringing men to account in law courts - not by circumventing due process. There was (rightly) a lot of support for #MeToo - but that wasn't sustained over the #BelieveAllVictims, becuase that's a different issue. When that came to prominance in the Tara Reade situation, it became apparent that it was a tool that could be used for political machinations. Cue an exit of support for legitimate feminism because it moved away from the baseline. This isn't about not giving a shit, it's about making the arguments that will work. Reducing harrassment and sexual assault should be how everybody thinks, but promoting the 'court of public opinion' only serves to jeopardise existing cases and turn moderates off. You'll see from other commenters (many of whom are women) that there's not universal support for the continuation of this sort of policy.

I don't believe all men are rapists or that the social justice movement (which isn't a homogenous group of people) say that. Some people may believe that but they're quite rare. Yes, I agree... people should be trying to reduce racism in the public sphere. On that note - this is how I'm trying to do it. I don't believe that a focus on identity is the way to do that. It draws attention to immutable characteristics and pushes the discussion into WHO people are and their right to speak based on WHO they are, not what they have to say. You're still judging people by the colour of their skin. It plays into the problem it's endeavouring to solve. It leads only to division and endless splitting off the demos into smaller and smaller niche factions. I think a better plan would be to refocus progressives towards raising all people out of economic disadvantage . That's a concerted push towards socialism. Identity poltiics has meant that disadvantaged people spend most of their time at each other's throats. TERFS vs Trans. BIPOC vs White Working Class. It doesn't help.

More than happy to sit and discuss with anyone, provided they can keep their ad-hominem attacks to a minimum and have something worthwhile to say. You'll find me being very active in the comments of most of my stories and in the stories of people I disagree with.

And on your final point. We're working together to find consensus on methodology. You seem to be under the impression that I'm pro-woman bashing and pro-racism. That's not true, and your genocide argument is confusing. The argument I'm making is not progress is bad, its that I believe the way progressives are pushing the discourse won't work. In short, apart from feeling good in echo chambers and having lots of pieces applauded by each other - they're actually making things worse for their own group.

That's worth debating. And yes. I am better than you seem to think I am.

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Argumentative Penguin
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